Re: [data-curation] New Wx Reporting Sites

Here’s what Gemini has to say about this:

The observations are indeed distinct because KK51 and KP28 actually represent 
two completely separate, co-located weather stations operating at the Medicine 
Lodge Airport. [1<https://weathercams.faa.gov/stations>]
Even though they share the same airfield, they are managed under different 
programs, utilize different hardware, and broadcast independently. 
[1<https://weathercams.faa.gov/stations>]
Here is exactly why those METAR strings look so different:
1. Federal ASOS vs. Non-Federal AWOS

  *   KP28 is a Federal ASOS (Automated Surface Observing System). It is 
managed federally and generates standard hourly routine observations (typically 
at 56 minutes past the hour, as seen in your 040956Z, 041056Z, etc. stamps). 
[1<https://weathercams.faa.gov/stations>]
  *   KK51 is a Non-Federal AWOS-3P (Automated Weather Observing System). It is 
a state- or locally-owned station that broadcasts updates much more 
frequently—roughly every 20 minutes (stamped at :15, :35, and :55 past the 
hour). [1<https://weathercams.faa.gov/stations>]
2. Different Sensor Capabilities (AO1 vs. AO2)
If you look closely at the remarks (RMK) at the end of each log, you will find 
the smoking gun for why the data varies:

  *   KP28 reports AO1: This means the federal station does not have a 
precipitation discriminator sensor. It cannot automatically tell the difference 
between rain and snow. It also includes extra federal data fields like Sea 
Level Pressure (SLP102) and hourly precise temperature decimals (T02500211).
  *   KK51 reports AO2: The local AWOS system does feature a precipitation 
discriminator sensor. Because the hardware setups are different and sit at 
slightly different physical spots on the field, their calibrated sensors will 
register tiny micro-climate differences in wind gusts, dew point calculations, 
and altimeter settings (A2991 vs A2990).


Best regards,

Kevin

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From: data-curation <data-curation-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of 
Stephen Adams
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2026 1:34 PM
To: Boris A. Konon <trwplusa@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: data-curation <data-curation@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [data-curation] New Wx Reporting Sites

Boris,
A question on KK51 Medicine Lodge. I'm showing an ICAO for that airport as 
KP28. Still getting metars for KP28. Also getting metars for KK51, but they're 
different than KP28. Can you explain?


Steve Adams | AWIS Weather Services
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www.awis.com<http://www.awis.com/>


On Fri, Sep 4, 2026 at 7:06 AM Boris A. Konon 
<trwplusa@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:trwplusa@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
METAR:
K4MD - Baltimore/Pier 7 US MD
https://www.airnav.com/airport/4MD

KCHT - Chillicothe US MO
https://www.airnav.com/airport/KCHT

KK51 - Medicine Lodge US KS
https://www.airnav.com/airport/K51

KM46 - Colstrip US MT
https://www.airnav.com/airport/M46

PACE - Central US AK
https://www.airnav.com/airport/PACE

PACI - Chalkyitsik US AK
https://www.airnav.com/airport/PACI

METAR Site ID Change:
K2V5 to KRYA - Wray US CO


SYNOP:
35129 - Kandyagash KZ
https://oscar.wmo.int/surface/#/search/station/stationReportDetails/0-398-0-35129

42364 - Etawah IN
https://www.ogimet.com/display_synops2.php?lang=en&lugar=42364

42878 - unknown IN

63726 - Kabale UG
https://oscar.wmo.int/surface/#/search/station/stationReportDetails/0-20000-0-63726

63735 - Ukerewe TZ
https://oscar.wmo.int/surface/#/search/station/stationReportDetails/0-834-20000-63735

83004 - San Paulo/IAG BR (previously unknown)
https://oscar.wmo.int/surface/#/search/station/stationReportDetails/0-76-0-3550308000W83004

85312 - Monteagudo BO (previously unknown)
https://oscar.wmo.int/surface/#/search/station/stationReportDetails/0-20000-0-85312
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