Re: [ldm-users] Looking for upstream IDD feed for personal METAR research project

  • To: Gregory Grosshans <gregory.grosshans@xxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: Re: [ldm-users] Looking for upstream IDD feed for personal METAR research project
  • From: Thomas B <thms_brgg@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2026 06:15:51 +0000
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Gregg,

Thank you very much for this detailed explanation of the METAR data flow — this 
is incredibly helpful and aligns with what we've observed from benchmarking 
multiple sources.

We've been polling TGFTP at 1-second intervals with If-Modified-Since headers 
and it is indeed our fastest source, consistent with your assessment. We looked 
into LDM/IDD through Unidata but were unable to obtain access, and SBN/NOAAPORT 
satellite ingest is more hardware investment than we can justify at this stage.

Two questions if you don't mind:

1. EMWIN terrestrial server — since it's push-based, it could shave off the 
polling latency we have on TGFTP. Could you point us toward the hostname/port 
of the terrestrial EMWIN server, and whether it carries METAR from all ASOS 
sites? Any documentation on the connection protocol would be greatly 
appreciated.
2. SynopticData's FAA agreement — we use the Synoptic API and it sometimes 
detects new observations before TGFTP in our benchmarks. Do you know if their 
FAA connection gives them a tap upstream of NWSTG/GATEWAY, or is it the same 
pipeline?
Best regards,
Le mardi 17 mars 2026 à 18:15, Gregory Grosshans <gregory.grosshans@xxxxxxxx> a 
écrit :

> At a high level the flow of METAR data from ASOS sites at U.S. Airports 
> traverse the FAA networks to the NWS NWSTG/GATEWAY system. Once at 
> NWSTG/GATEWAY, essentially, the data is sent to TGFTP.nws.noaa.gov as well as 
> to the NCF, where the NCF uplinks the data to the SBN/NOAAPORT. UNIDATA and 
> other top-tier LDM/IDD sites with an SBN/NOAAPORT ingest system will receive 
> METAR data from the SBN/NOAAPORT and inject it into the LDM/IDD network. 
> Returning to the NWSTG/GATEWAY, they also send METAR data to other WMO member 
> countries at the same time they send the data to TGFTP and NCF.
>
> MADIS is different from the NWSTG/GATEWAY. Note MADIS originated on the 
> research side of NOAA (i.e. OAR ESRL/GSD per your weblink) and then a version 
> became operational at NWS/NCEP many years ago. MADIS also collected various 
> mesonets. From my understanding MADIS is no longer being developed, instead 
> the NWS is utilizing [SynopticData](https://synopticdata.com/)to acquire the 
> various mesonets. I understand SynopticData also connects with the FAA to 
> acquire observational data via a special agreement. You would have to check 
> with the FAA (and I'm not sure who it would be) to see if other private 
> sector companies connect to the FAA to receive METAR data.
>
> I suspect the lowest latency will be obtaining data from TGFTP, followed by 
> an LDM feed from the IDD.
>
> Some weather enthusiasts repurpose old satellite dishes from the 1980s or 
> 1990s, originally used for satellite TV, for their own SBN/NOAAPORT satellite 
> ingest systems. This includes buying a NOVRA box, computer, etc to ingest the 
> data from the dish. This is an option to obtain METAR data from the SBN and 
> it would be slightly faster than the latency introduced by the IDD (which is 
> likely only a few seconds faster depending on how close your connection is to 
> a top-tier site). You could also set up a smaller satellite dish (compared to 
> the SBN/NOAAPORT dish) and use the Emergency Managers Weather Information 
> Network (EMWIN), which is supposed to include METAR observations. I suspect 
> the route of METAR data for EMWIN goes from NWSTG/GATEWAY -> NESDIS -> GOES 
> EAST/WEST satellites. Also, I believe there is a terrestrial based EMWIN 
> server if you don't want to set up a satellite ingest system.
>
> Gregg
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2026 at 10:06 AM Thomas B <thms_brgg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thanks for the pointer to tgftp.nws.noaa.gov — I'm currently polling it and 
>> it does seem to be one of the fastest publicly available HTTP sources for 
>> METAR.
>>
>> However, from what I've been reading, tgftp serves static files that are 
>> regenerated on a cycle (the MADIS documentation at 
>> https://madis.ncep.noaa.gov/madis_metar.shtml mentions data is "processed 
>> every 5 minutes"). So even with aggressive polling, there's an inherent 
>> delay of up to several minutes between the observation time and when it 
>> appears on tgftp.
>>
>> By contrast, the LDM/IDD network distributes METAR via push as soon as it's 
>> injected from NOAAPort/SBN. The LDM network troubleshooting docs 
>> (https://docs.unidata.ucar.edu/ldm/current/troubleshooting/networkTrouble.html)
>>  reference sub-second product latency as typical for well-connected IDD 
>> nodes.
>>
>> For my use case, that difference matters a lot — I need the lowest possible 
>> latency on METAR observations. So I'm really interested in getting an LDM 
>> feed rather than polling tgftp.
>>
>> I saw in the FAQ that non-academic users can sometimes arrange a feed from a 
>> willing upstream participant.
>>
>> Thanks again for your help.
>> Le lundi 16 mars 2026 à 22:26, Charles Concodora 
>> <concodcw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>>
>>> As far as I'm aware, [tgftp.nws.noaa.gov](http://tgftp.nws.noaa.gov/) has 
>>> the lowest latency.
>>>
>>>> On Mar 15, 2026, at 2:30 PM, Thomas B <thms_brgg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [tgftp.nws.noaa.gov](http://tgftp.nws.noaa.gov/)
>>
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