Re: [ldm-users] [EXTERNAL] [BULK] Re: [noaaport] The end of NOAAport/SBN

Happy Friday Everyone,

I submitted comments regarding the NOAAport/SBN retirement and thought I would share an idea with you. However, I'll first mention that Ryan at NWS replied with a link to an RFI on the replacement. Perhaps it's been shared here but I'd not seen it, so FYI.

https://sam.gov/workspace/contract/opp/b2dc823e91cf445db344df6047eeb647/view

My comments sent to the RFC were mainly concerns about what many of us already know: reliability, compatibility, migration path, documentation, real 24x7 support, etc.

I'll now paste in that idea. Perhaps someone has already considered this and there is the possibility that it would not work, but I think it or something like it could help bring many of us (including me) down from panic mode.

Jared


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There is an avenue which I would strongly urge my NOAA colleagues to explore: years ago some weather community colleagues in Hawaii (I believe Hawaii EM or University of Hawaii, if memory serves) tested broadcasting weather data much like NOAAport (their tests used EMWIN datasets) but over the Internet using IPv6 multicast, rather than IPv4 over satellite. At the time many Internet equipment vendors and networks did not support IPv6 multicast but now many if not most do and NOAA is in fact moving rapidly to IPv6 for its own operations, as I've learned from my NOAA colleagues here in Norman.

It turns out that NOAAport is, at its core, a set of IPv4 multicast streams which merely use satellite as the transmission medium. If that IPv4 multicast was turned into IPv6 multicast (there are multiple ways to do this including at the server, router, and service levels), that could be sent over NWAVE to NOAA entities, over Internet2 to university and research partners, as well as easily made available on major cloud providers' networks. Both Amazon Web Services and Google Cloud Platform support routing of IPv6 multicast on to customer VPC (Virtual Private Cloud, i.e. each customer's private network within that cloud provider's system). For example, if I had an IPv6 multicast stream of data from NOAA on my existing Amazon VPC using the AWS Transit Gateway service, I could set up a server VM running Linux, convert the IPv6 back to IPv4 multicast with one of several existing, high-performance-but-lightweight Linux kernel modules, and then use the existing, legacy Unidata LDM NOAAport software *without modifications or code overhauls* to ingest exactly as we've been receiving over satellite all these years.

Perhaps multicast over terrestrial networks (which would avoid the bandwidth cost and load issues with unicast IP) might be a way to migrate users off the satellite feeds without complete re-architecture of their setups. This might also serve as a bridge to use of the other data transmission technologies such as the widely discussed cloud options while they are still being developed and tested.

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On Fri, 4 Sep 2026, Mullenax, Robert R. (WFF-820.0)[PERATON INC] wrote:


I started at Texas A&M in 1982. We had 604 and Difax. At Universal Weather in 
1987 then CSBF (NSBF back then) in 1991 we had
Alden and Kavouras. We had a C-band feed and KU-band feed from Alden at NSBF. I 
don’t remember anymore what was on the KU-band,
but even thick clouds (no precip) and we would lose data…which speaks to 
Stonie’s comments on KU-band.

 

Interesting times ahead…

 

Robert Mullenax

Meteorologist

Columbia Scientific Balloon Facility

Peraton

1510 E. FM 3224

Palestine, TX 75803

903-723-8037

robert.r.mullenax@xxxxxxxx

 

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For those of us who remember back to the early 80s and the end of easy data, 
this sounds very similar. When I started in college
we had the FAA 604 feed and Difax. That was it. But all you had to do to get it 
was get your local telephone company to run you
a line to the nearest WSFO and you could tap into their feeds... for the cost 
of the landline.

But in the 82/83 timeframe that went away. This sent universities scrambling 
for data. Enter Unidata and Alden Electronics. I
remember installing the dish in the back 40 at Purdue and getting the land line 
to the Geoscience building working to
transmit the data. Alden's satellite feed came with something new... the Family of 
Services, which gave us a ton more data than
what was on the FAA circuit (DDS, PPS, and IDS) along with something new HDS, 
for model data. Boy we struggled getting a cheap
solution to handle that synchronous feed.

So this sounds all too familiar. Back then, we tapped into a WSFO to get data 
until they said no. Today, we listen into NOAAPort
and now that's going away. We found a solution back in 1984. I remember working 
with Glenn Daivs and the first versions of LDM
to make Alden to the computer a reality. I suspect we'll find one today. But it 
has me worried that the days of the convenient
one stop shop in NOAAPort are gone and we'll have to work with a new paradigm.

 

Dan.

 

On Thu, Sep 3, 2026 at 4:11 PM Mike Zuranski <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

      Hi Ryan,

       

      On Thu, Sep 3, 2026 at 3:33 PM Ryan May <rmay@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

            ...it is very unsettling due to the lack of clarity about how the 
NWS intends to replace the open,
            realtime data distribution afforded by NOAAPORT.

       

      Bare with me as there is a modest amount of hand-waving coming up... 

       

      I see this sentiment come up here and there, and say what you want about 
lack of clarity with actionable statements,
      you'll get no argument from me that those could improve.  But what I 
think people are missing is NOAAPort was never
      truly designed to serve anyone outside of NOAA.  It is a service by NOAA, 
for NOAA, that we were lucky enough to be
      able to tap into because it was clear-air transmission.  But "luck" is the 
wrong word...  The work Unidata and other
      parties laid out decades ago and have maintained since was to bridge that 
service for Academia and others so not
      everyone had to get a giant dish in their yards... but technically that's 
all anyone would need for NOAAPort is the
      right kind of ear; that is the key element that is changing.  NOAAPort 
was always a private network, one technically
      available to all others but barred for most.

       

      AWIPS is moving to the cloud, the data is already there and with far 
superior internet now compared to the '90s NOAA
      no longer needs that data feed to be in the clear-air for themselves.  
Cutting partner access to data feeds was
      never intended nor desired, just a result of no longer being transmitted in 
the clear.  Now while NOAA has
      maintained/improved the SBN tech for their own offices & needs over the 
years, there was never any obligation for
      NOAA to make its replacement clear-air and available to anyone with only the 
right hardware.  So now we can't simply
      listen in like we could before, but it's still a private network just 
with hard access restrictions due to being on
      a public internet.  

       

      The way I personally read the big picture here is Unidata had a seat at 
the head of the table when the SBN/NOAAPort
      paradigm was established; it took a lot of effort, conversations, 
collaborations but the result was a widely
      available robust network of data coming from a NOAA feed, through the 
bridges that Unidata has made and maintains,
      out to academia and beyond.  Now that NOAA will fully replace their 
previous network with one of a different design
      those bridges will need to be rebuilt.  But it was never an obligation 
for NOAA to maintain those bridges to our
      communities, that is traditionally where Unidata came in.  

       

       

      All of that is to say the following:  I don't believe the NWS intends to 
replace this real-time push network that we
      have gotten used to beyond their own needs.  It was never really open in 
the first place, and it is Unidata's
      bridges and on-ramps that made it available to us at all.  It will be up 
to us to build and design new bridges, new
      on-ramps and new workflows for ourselves... with NWS/NOAA's help of 
course.  But waiting will be a death sentence.

       

       

            This will certainly be discussed during Unidata's Community Advisory 
Committee (CAC) meeting next week. 
            We're also happy to partner with others as we all try to smoothly 
migrate to a post-NOAAPORT world.

       

      I would like to request if you could get a representative from NODD to join 
the CAC meetings moving forward.  I know
      it's likely too short notice for that this fall, but between more and 
more data sets moving to under their control,
      and other opportunities that could come from their inclusion here, I 
think it would be very helpful if that's
      possible.

       

      Best,

      -Mike

       

       

            Cheers,

             

            Ryan

             

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            Dr. Ryan May

            Deputy Director

            NSF Unidata

            Boulder, CO

             

            On Tue, Sep 1, 2026 at 3:20 PM Sebenste, Gilbert 
<sebensteg@xxxxxxx> wrote:

                  If you haven’t heard, now you know. It says we are to wait 
for how the information will be
                  disseminated in the future. But what will that look like? How 
will that impact me and our
                  weather.cod.edu website? How will it affect all of you?
                  How long will we have a parallel test to make sure that we 
can get the data we need and
                  process it locally? How can I plan when I literally do not 
know what to plan for?

                  I have so many questions….

                  NOUS41 KWBC 011655 PNSWSH

                  Public Information Statement 26-63
                  National Weather Service Headquarters Silver Spring MD
                  1255 PM EDT Tue Sep 1 2026
                  To:

                  From:    

                  Subscribers: -NOAA Weather Wire Service -Emergency Managers 
Weather Information Network
                  -NOAAPort Other NWS Partners and Employees

                  George Jungbluth, Director  Mission, Systems and Technology

                  Subject: Soliciting initial comments, through September 21, 
2026, on planned retirement of
                  the Satellite Broadcast Network (SBN)/NOAAPort and NOAA 
Weather Wire Service (NWWS)
                  Satellite as early as August 31, 2027.

                  The NWS is modernizing its infrastructure and dissemination 
services by transitioning to
                  cloud-based services.  This initiative will enhance 
operational efficiency, increase
                  reliability, and provide scalability for future growth. As 
part of this modernization, the
                  NWS will retire the Satellite Broadcast Network (SBN), 
commonly referred to as NOAAPort.
                  Retirement of the SBN will also terminate the satellite-based 
NOAA Weather Wire Service
                  (NWWS), which uses SBN channel 201 to deliver data.  The 
internet-based NWWS Open Interface
                  (NWWS-OI) will continue to operate. We are assembling 
information about alternative data
                  sources and will provide it as soon as possible. 

                  NOAAPORT users are encouraged to provide feedback via this 
feedback form
                  https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/NOAAPortSBN2026 ; by September 
21, 2026. While the feedback
                  form is preferred, users can also send comments and questions to: 
nws.webfeedback@xxxxxxxx 

                  Stakeholder feedback will be used to help NWS plan the 
follow-on dissemination systems to
                  NOAAPort to ensure continuity of data and services to users.  
The NWS will send an updated
                  statement once the feedback is processed and we have 
additional information to share.
                  National Public Information Statements are online at:

                  https://www.weather.gov/notification/ ;

                  NNNN

                   

                  Gilbert Sebenste

                  Meteorology Support Analyst

                  [IMAGE]

                   

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