Re: [ldm-users] [EXTERNAL] [BULK] Re: [noaaport] The end of NOAAport/SBN

  • To: Jared P Bostic <jpbostic@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: Re: [ldm-users] [EXTERNAL] [BULK] Re: [noaaport] The end of NOAAport/SBN
  • From: Ryan Hickman <ryan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2026 12:41:34 -0600
Note that the RFI has an incorrect email address for Jennifer at the
bottom. Use the PDF email address as it is accurate.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2026 at 12:09 PM Jared P Bostic <jpbostic@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Happy Friday Everyone,
>
> I submitted comments regarding the NOAAport/SBN retirement and thought I
> would share an idea with you. However, I'll first mention that Ryan at NWS
> replied with a link to an RFI on the replacement. Perhaps it's been shared
> here but I'd not seen it, so FYI.
>
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> https://sam.gov/workspace/contract/opp/b2dc823e91cf445db344df6047eeb647/view
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> My comments sent to the RFC were mainly concerns about what many of us
> already know: reliability, compatibility, migration path, documentation,
> real 24x7 support, etc.
>
> I'll now paste in that idea. Perhaps someone has already considered this
> and there is the possibility that it would not work, but I think it or
> something like it could help bring many of us (including me) down from
> panic mode.
>
> Jared
>
>
> ==
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> There is an avenue which I would strongly urge my NOAA colleagues to
> explore: years ago some weather community colleagues in Hawaii (I believe
> Hawaii EM or University of Hawaii, if memory serves) tested broadcasting
> weather data much like NOAAport (their tests used EMWIN datasets) but over
> the Internet using IPv6 multicast, rather than IPv4 over satellite. At the
> time many Internet equipment vendors and networks did not support IPv6
> multicast but now many if not most do and NOAA is in fact moving rapidly
> to IPv6 for its own operations, as I've learned from my NOAA colleagues
> here in Norman.
>
> It turns out that NOAAport is, at its core, a set of IPv4 multicast
> streams which merely use satellite as the transmission medium. If that
> IPv4 multicast was turned into IPv6 multicast (there are multiple ways to
> do this including at the server, router, and service levels), that could
> be sent over NWAVE to NOAA entities, over Internet2 to university and
> research partners, as well as easily made available on major cloud
> providers' networks. Both Amazon Web Services and Google Cloud Platform
> support routing of IPv6 multicast on to customer VPC (Virtual Private
> Cloud, i.e. each customer's private network within that cloud provider's
> system). For example, if I had an IPv6 multicast stream of data from NOAA
> on my existing Amazon VPC using the AWS Transit Gateway service, I could
> set up a server VM running Linux, convert the IPv6 back to IPv4 multicast
> with one of several existing, high-performance-but-lightweight Linux
> kernel modules, and then use the existing, legacy Unidata LDM NOAAport
> software *without modifications or code overhauls* to ingest exactly as
> we've been receiving over satellite all these years.
>
> Perhaps multicast over terrestrial networks (which would avoid the
> bandwidth cost and load issues with unicast IP) might be a way to migrate
> users off the satellite feeds without complete re-architecture of their
> setups. This might also serve as a bridge to use of the other data
> transmission technologies such as the widely discussed cloud options while
> they are still being developed and tested.
>
> ==
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> On Fri, 4 Sep 2026, Mullenax, Robert R. (WFF-820.0)[PERATON INC] wrote:
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> >
> > I started at Texas A&M in 1982. We had 604 and Difax. At Universal
> Weather in 1987 then CSBF (NSBF back then) in 1991 we had
> > Alden and Kavouras. We had a C-band feed and KU-band feed from Alden at
> NSBF. I don’t remember anymore what was on the KU-band,
> > but even thick clouds (no precip) and we would lose data…which speaks to
> Stonie’s comments on KU-band.
> >
> >
> >
> > Interesting times ahead…
> >
> >
> >
> > Robert Mullenax
> >
> > Meteorologist
> >
> > Columbia Scientific Balloon Facility
> >
> > Peraton
> >
> > 1510 E. FM 3224
> >
> > Palestine, TX 75803
> >
> > 903-723-8037 <(903)%20723-8037>
> >
> > robert.r.mullenax@xxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> >
> > From: ldm-users <ldm-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Dan
> Vietor
> > Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2026 4:13 PM
> > To: Mike Zuranski <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Cc: LDM <ldm-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; NOAAPORT <
> noaaport@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] [BULK] Re: [ldm-users] [noaaport] The end of
> NOAAport/SBN
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > For those of us who remember back to the early 80s and the end of easy
> data, this sounds very similar. When I started in college
> > we had the FAA 604 feed and Difax. That was it. But all you had to do to
> get it was get your local telephone company to run you
> > a line to the nearest WSFO and you could tap into their feeds... for the
> cost of the landline.
> >
> > But in the 82/83 timeframe that went away. This sent universities
> scrambling for data. Enter Unidata and Alden Electronics. I
> > remember installing the dish in the back 40 at Purdue and getting the
> land line to the Geoscience building working to
> > transmit the data. Alden's satellite feed came with something new... the
> Family of Services, which gave us a ton more data than
> > what was on the FAA circuit (DDS, PPS, and IDS) along with something new
> HDS, for model data. Boy we struggled getting a cheap
> > solution to handle that synchronous feed.
> >
> > So this sounds all too familiar. Back then, we tapped into a WSFO to get
> data until they said no. Today, we listen into NOAAPort
> > and now that's going away. We found a solution back in 1984. I
> remember working with Glenn Daivs and the first versions of LDM
> > to make Alden to the computer a reality. I suspect we'll find one today .
> But it has me worried that the days of the convenient
> > one stop shop in NOAAPort are gone and we'll have to work with a new
> paradigm.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dan.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 3, 2026 at 4:11 PM Mike Zuranski <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> >       Hi Ryan,
> >
> >
> >
> >       On Thu, Sep 3, 2026 at 3:33 PM Ryan May <rmay@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >             ...it is very unsettling due to the lack of clarity about
> how the NWS intends to replace the open,
> >             realtime data distribution afforded by NOAAPORT.
> >
> >
> >
> >       Bare with me as there is a modest amount of hand-waving coming
> up...
> >
> >
> >
> >       I see this sentiment come up here and there, and say what you want
> about lack of clarity with actionable statements,
> >       you'll get no argument from me that those could improve.  But what
> I think people are missing is NOAAPort was never
> >       truly designed to serve anyone outside of NOAA.  It is a service
> by NOAA, for NOAA, that we were lucky enough to be
> >       able to tap into because it was clear-air transmission.  But
> "luck" is the wrong word...  The work Unidata and other
> >       parties laid out decades ago and have maintained since was to
> bridge that service for Academia and others so not
> >       everyone had to get a giant dish in their yards... but technically
> that's all anyone would need for NOAAPort is the
> >       right kind of ear; that is the key element that is changing.
> NOAAPort was always a private network, one technically
> >       available to all others but barred for most.
> >
> >
> >
> >       AWIPS is moving to the cloud, the data is already there and with
> far superior internet now compared to the '90s NOAA
> >       no longer needs that data feed to be in the clear-air for
> themselves.  Cutting partner access to data feeds was
> >       never intended nor desired, just a result of no longer being
> transmitted in the clear.  Now while NOAA has
> >       maintained/improved the SBN tech for their own offices & needs
> over the years, there was never any obligation for
> >       NOAA to make its replacement clear-air and available to anyone
> with only the right hardware.  So now we can't simply
> >       listen in like we could before, but it's still a private network
> just with hard access restrictions due to being on
> >       a public internet.
> >
> >
> >
> >       The way I personally read the big picture here is Unidata had a
> seat at the head of the table when the SBN/NOAAPort
> >       paradigm was established; it took a lot of effort, conversations,
> collaborations but the result was a widely
> >       available robust network of data coming from a NOAA feed, through
> the bridges that Unidata has made and maintains,
> >       out to academia and beyond.  Now that NOAA will fully replace
> their previous network with one of a different design
> >       those bridges will need to be rebuilt.  But it was never an
> obligation for NOAA to maintain those bridges to our
> >       communities, that is traditionally where Unidata came in.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >       All of that is to say the following:  I don't believe the NWS
> intends to replace this real-time push network that we
> >       have gotten used to beyond their own needs.  It was never really
> open in the first place, and it is Unidata's
> >       bridges and on-ramps that made it available to us at all.  It will
> be up to us to build and design new bridges, new
> >       on-ramps and new workflows for ourselves... with NWS/NOAA's help
> of course.  But waiting will be a death sentence.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >             This will certainly be discussed during Unidata's Community
> Advisory Committee (CAC) meeting next week.
> >             We're also happy to partner with others as we all try to
> smoothly migrate to a post-NOAAPORT world.
> >
> >
> >
> >       I would like to request if you could get a representative from
> NODD to join the CAC meetings moving forward.  I know
> >       it's likely too short notice for that this fall, but between more
> and more data sets moving to under their control,
> >       and other opportunities that could come from their inclusion here,
> I think it would be very helpful if that's
> >       possible.
> >
> >
> >
> >       Best,
> >
> >       -Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >             Cheers,
> >
> >
> >
> >             Ryan
> >
> >
> >
> >             -------
> >
> >             Dr. Ryan May
> >
> >             Deputy Director
> >
> >             NSF Unidata
> >
> >             Boulder, CO
> >
> >
> >
> >             On Tue, Sep 1, 2026 at 3:20 PM Sebenste, Gilbert <
> sebensteg@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >                   If you haven’t heard, now you know. It says we are to
> wait for how the information will be
> >                   disseminated in the future. But what will that look
> like? How will that impact me and our
> >                   weather.cod.edu website? How will it affect all of
> you?
> >                   How long will we have a parallel test to make sure
> that we can get the data we need and
> >                   process it locally? How can I plan when I literally do
> not know what to plan for?
> >
> >                   I have so many questions….
> >
> >                   NOUS41 KWBC 011655 PNSWSH
> >
> >                   Public Information Statement 26-63
> >                   National Weather Service Headquarters Silver Spring MD
> >                   1255 PM EDT Tue Sep 1 2026
> >                   To:
> >
> >                   From:
> >
> >                   Subscribers: -NOAA Weather Wire Service -Emergency
> Managers Weather Information Network
> >                   -NOAAPort Other NWS Partners and Employees
> >
> >                   George Jungbluth, Director  Mission, Systems and
> Technology
> >
> >                   Subject: Soliciting initial comments, through
> September 21, 2026, on planned retirement of
> >                   the Satellite Broadcast Network (SBN)/NOAAPort and
> NOAA Weather Wire Service (NWWS)
> >                   Satellite as early as August 31, 2027.
> >
> >                   The NWS is modernizing its infrastructure and
> dissemination services by transitioning to
> >                   cloud-based services.  This initiative will enhance
> operational efficiency, increase
> >                   reliability, and provide scalability for future
> growth. As part of this modernization, the
> >                   NWS will retire the Satellite Broadcast Network (SBN),
> commonly referred to as NOAAPort.
> >                   Retirement of the SBN will also terminate the
> satellite-based NOAA Weather Wire Service
> >                   (NWWS), which uses SBN channel 201 to deliver data.
> The internet-based NWWS Open Interface
> >                   (NWWS-OI) will continue to operate. We are assembling
> information about alternative data
> >                   sources and will provide it as soon as possible.
> >
> >                   NOAAPORT users are encouraged to provide feedback via
> this feedback form
> >                   https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/NOAAPortSBN2026  by
> September 21, 2026. While the feedback
> >                   form is preferred, users can also send comments and
> questions to: nws.webfeedback@xxxxxxxx
> >
> >                   Stakeholder feedback will be used to help NWS plan the
> follow-on dissemination systems to
> >                   NOAAPort to ensure continuity of data and services to
> users.  The NWS will send an updated
> >                   statement once the feedback is processed and we have
> additional information to share.
> >                   National Public Information Statements are online at:
> >
> >                   https://www.weather.gov/notification/
> >
> >                   NNNN
> >
> >
> >
> >                   Gilbert Sebenste
> >
> >                   Meteorology Support Analyst
> >
> >                   [IMAGE]
> >
> >
> >
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